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Podcast Summary

Renowned event specialist, Sholeh Munion, CMP, joined Michael Sherman, host of Eventful Endeavors, where she discussed her extensive career in event planning, her love for supporting small businesses, and her passion for social justice, demonstrating why Sholeh Events is a byword for personalized event planning.

Munion has a diverse portfolio, encompassing trade shows, corporate meetings, nonprofit galas, international events, weddings and social parties. Her philosophy towards her work extends beyond just planning, combining problem-solving with building personal relationships with clients, going beyond the logistics and focusing on understanding each client’s individual vision. This client relation ethic mirrors her own values, having championed community-building, and supporting other small businesses, notably those owned by women and minorities.

On a personal note, Munion shared her numerous global voyages, revealing how she lived in Israel, and traveled to six countries. Such global exposure has honed her capacity to adapt quickly to various cultural settings, a trait critical for any event manager in the global events industry space.

She also hinted on the more intimate parts of her life; her voracious book-reading habit, her love for nature, her family, and her base in Chicago, Illinois. A recently impactful book she recommended for every event professional is ‘The Art of Gathering’ by Priya Parker, describing it as a powerful tool for creating meaningful guest experiences by understanding the underlying psychology of events.

By featuring on Eventful Endeavors, Munion offered an invaluable peek into Sholeh Events, demonstrating how her professional journey and personal interests have harmonized to create an industry-leading brand that couples empathy with expertise. It’s clear that Sholeh Events deepened its footprint in the events industry, placing it as a symbol of meticulously personalized planning.

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This interview was provided by Felix and Fingers Dueling Pianos

Podcast Transcript

Mike Sherman (00:25)
Hello everybody, this is Mike Sherman with Felix and Fingers Dueling Pianos here with another exciting episode of Eventful Endeavors where we will be talking about all things events and weddings and parties and anything you might think of. Today I’m here with a very special guest, Sholeh Munion. She’s been working in the event industry for 20 years. She’s played massive trade shows, corporate association meetings, nonprofit galas, international and diplomatic events, weddings, social events.

She’s a certified meeting professional. She takes her work very seriously while also bringing joy to the planning process for clients. A great part of the work of a planner is being a problem solver combined with the knowledge of how to connect with people and that is her passion and who she is to her core. A people person with an eye for detail and a brain for logistics. She values community, supporting other small businesses, specifically minority and women owned business. And she believes in lifting other people up. Social justice and empathy are the core of who she is.

Aside from that, she’s visited 45 of the 50 United States, six countries, including living in one of them for 18 months. Oh my goodness. And the familiarity and comfort with the international nature of the events industry has enabled her to adjust to any situation she’s in. She reads at least two books a week. She travels, she spent times with her friends, her family, she loves baking, being in nature, mentoring, volunteering, and she lives with her husband and her two daughters right here in Chicago, Illinois, where I am also based.

So thank you so much for joining us today. How did I do? Did I get your bio pretty accurate?

Sholeh (01:54)
That was incredible and I think that was probably the best version I’ve heard, so I appreciate it.

Mike Sherman (01:58)
Great great. Well, thank you. And I’m so glad you’re here to join in us today We work together on a wedding last year and I was so glad to have you reach out about Chatting with us on the podcast. So, um, so tell me a little bit first kind of before we get too far into it I’m just so curious about what which country you lived in for 18 months. That’s what I’m

Sholeh (02:19)
I actually lived in Israel. I was working at an international event there and I needed to be there on site. And then I basically got to travel around as well. So I went to Turkey, I’ve been to Greece, I’ve been to China. I’ve kind of just traveled as much as I possibly can. I want to do more. My goal is to take my kids as many places as I can and they’re already starting their domestic travel. So next is international.

Mike Sherman (02:20)
Oh wow.

That’s amazing. I have an eight year old. Well, he’s eight this Friday. We just went to Ireland and London and Amsterdam this year. It was my first time in Europe actually ever too, but it was just really cool to get to show him that and just see these different cultures. And so we’re very excited to do it again somewhere else. So yeah, so excited. And my other totally unevent related question, just because I’m kind of a nerd like that is What have you read recently? You say you read a lot of books. What are a couple either recommendations or just ones that you’ve

I’ve recently been listening to a reading.

Sholeh (03:15)
So the really, I think the most impactful book that I think all event professionals actually should read is called The Art of Gathering by Priya Parker. And it is, I actually have it sitting here right next to me on my desk. It’s such a great kind of underlying psychology of events. And it’s not just for events people, it’s written really, I think with a broader audience. But I think it’s a really good study of how to think more deeply about events. Why do we host events? What’s the purpose?

And then when you dig down into the purpose, you can actually create an experience for the guests that is meaningful to each person. It’s a fascinating book and I highly recommend it. It’s not a very thick book, but it’s one of those that I think everyone should read.

Mike Sherman (04:01)
Awesome, that’s great. Thank you so much for the recommendation and you were ready with that answer. That wasn’t a planned question or anything, so great. Awesome. Well, so now tell me a little bit, just as far as your event planning goes, what kind of percentage of your work is in the corporate world versus weddings versus maybe any other type of event you do? So what’s kind of your percentage?

Sholeh (04:20)
It’s kind of shifted over the years, right? So when I started out, I was very much in the nonprofit sector. I’ve did a lot of association events, which is a whole world of its own. I worked for one of the largest association management companies in the world. And so I got to do really cool trade shows, conventions, meetings. There was a lot of strategy, a lot of project management, working with large groups of…

planning teams and so I had kind of a lot of volume in a very short amount of time early in my career and it was exhausting and led to a bit of burnout, but it was some of the best training I could have ever received. So that’s something that I really think is important is that on -site kind of hands -on learning and being around other planners and event professionals. I learned so much from my fellow industry folks and kind of learned how to leverage the

Mike Sherman (04:54)


Sholeh (05:13)
event industry in a way that I don’t think I would have on my own. So that was really powerful and that was, you know, probably 90 % of my job, right? I was working full time. And on the side, I was doing weddings and social events because when you’re the only event planner that people know, you’re going to get hired to do all sorts of things. So I would do a lot of those types of things on the side and…

Mike Sherman (05:28)
The only event planner that people know.


Sholeh (05:39)
When I had my first daughter, I actually kind of flipped the percentage of what I was working on and I moved over into more weddings, you know, mostly because it fit my schedule better and I was wanting to kind of change the kind of corporate feel of my work. In addition, I was, as soon as I…

Mike Sherman (05:52)

Sholeh (06:02)
left my full -time job, I was hired by a friend who ran a media company to do a conference for journalists. And that was my first kind of big on my own conference of that nature. And that goes into a whole thing of like family -friendly event policies. They had caretakers on site. They were really family -friendly. I brought my baby to board meetings. And it was kind of a glimpse of what we could have if we really worked on it.

Mike Sherman (06:10)

Oh yeah.

Yeah, oh my God, yeah, that’s amazing. That sounds really cool. Well, let’s kind of start then on that more like corporate side where you said you kind of had more of that, you know, all that gaitless and whatnot that you used to do a lot more of. Just as far as speaking of like the corporate work, that sort of thing, what are some on -site challenges that you experienced, you know, dealing just in that world? Because it’s such a different world than the wedding world, obviously, with the whole other challenges.

Sholeh (06:50)
Yes. Yes. So I would say that a big kind of, I think, well, there’s two main ones that I’ve noticed. One of the first ones is the short -term nature of that work. A lot of the time, corporate events and even nonprofits have…

shorter time turnaround times for things and decisions are made very quickly and things change very quickly. So you might be starting a general session even on site and the executive director comes over and says we need to remove 10 rounds and 100 chairs from this room right now. And there’s a thousand people are about to walk into the room and you’re working at a hotel, right? And so how do you handle that with grace and also with strength to say,

Mike Sherman (07:23)


Sholeh (07:38)
back to somebody, hey, I think this is a bad idea. I really want to support you with this. However, let’s figure out a different way to do it so that we don’t have tables rolling out while guests are walking in, which is A, a safety hazard, and B, it doesn’t look great.

Mike Sherman (07:50)
Mm -hmm.

Sholeh (07:51)
And so being able to have those difficult conversations in the heat of a moment, I think is one of the most challenging and also best skills that you can learn for working with corporate and nonprofit clients because that pressure cooker, a lot of folks aren’t used to working in that. And as a med professional, we’re like, oh yeah, this is normal. But the vast majority of people are not accustomed to this and it can make them very anxious, very frustrated, very concerned about their event. And we have to be

Mike Sherman (07:58)
and also best skills.


Mm -mm.

Sholeh (08:21)
you know, kind and also firm so that we make sure that the event goes off well.

Mike Sherman (08:24)
Yeah, well and that’s what’s great about I’m sure working with somebody like you is there is a level of trust that is instilled immediately so it’s like you feel like you have that authority to say we really should do it this way you know it’s like that’s kind of my thing too is like I’m not gonna force you to do what I want but I’m sure as heck gonna give you my opinion if I think it’s the wrong idea then you know you’re still the boss but I’m here because I’m the expert.

Sholeh (08:46)
Yep. Yeah, yeah. And that allows people to also feel like they have a partner in the process. Like our job is to be their partner. It’s not to tell them what to do. It’s not to just be railroaded and not listen to it all. I think it’s really, you see that as a partnership. And if you establish that from the beginning, it makes the whole process a lot easier.

Mike Sherman (09:07)
Oh yeah, absolutely. And yeah, it’s a whole different type of stress that comes with those sorts of things. I mean, even when we put together corporate shows or fundraisers, a lot of it, it’s like a big process before they even book us, and then they book us and it’s ready to roll and we’re going in like two weeks or a month or something. Whereas your weddings, they’re signed up on the dotted line 18 months out sometimes, and then it’s like, well, now what do we do? So it’s a whole different world, which I don’t know, I like having experience in both.

Sholeh (09:32)
Yeah, no, and to answer your question from earlier, about right now, my business is about 50 -50. So I’m doing kind of a mix of corporate, gala, and then weddings. And it’s a really nice kind of balance because I get to use my brain in different ways, which I think is really fun.

Mike Sherman (09:49)
Yeah, yeah, no, that’s I mean, kind of similar with us. We used to do a lot more weddings. We still do a lot of weddings, don’t get me wrong. But now we’ve just started doing more of the corporate stuff, more fundraisers, that sort of thing. And just selfishly as a performance fund, because you don’t really get sick of it. You know, it’s like if I was just doing weddings, weddings, weddings, you know, and if I’m just doing the same kind of shows over and over. But it’s like every week I’m like looking at my calendar. I’m like, what do we got today? We got a fundraiser. We got a public show. We got a wedding. You know, I never get sick of it. So it’s it’s fun, which I’m sure you can empathize with as well. Just go into all the events.

Sholeh (10:17)

Mike Sherman (10:19)
Oh my gosh. Well then let’s kind of jump into the world of weddings. One thing I always like to kind of ask people to start off is just sort of curiosity. What are kind of some trends that you’ve seen kind of picking up in the last year or two? Or similarly, what are some things that you see that have kind of gone by the wayside maybe over the last five, 10 years? I mean, I certainly have thoughts on it too, but always, yeah, I always like to ask, you know, where are we in the wedding room?

Sholeh (10:46)
You know, I think there’s the normal answer is like we’re seeing less garter tosses and bouquet tosses, right? And we all know these kinds of things are coming in and out, or we’re seeing certain kinds of cakes come in and certain kinds of, you know, colors and all of that. But I actually wanna shift away from that a little bit and think about what I’m seeing in terms of trends with event professionals actually spending a lot more time thinking about their craft. Because what it does is it impacts the wedding experience.

Mike Sherman (10:53)

Mm -hmm.

Sholeh (11:15)
so greatly. And I’m seeing a lot more couples choosing to work with with professionals and making an effort to find vendors who are really at the top of their game. And it doesn’t mean that they’re necessarily paying top dollar or luxury prices, right? But they’re reaching out to people who truly are interested in growth in education and collaboration. It’s something that’s super important to me. And so

When I have couples reach out to me, a big reason why they book is because they’re looking for that professional level of experience. I’ve got a lot of couples who work, you know, they are professionals, they work in whatever field they’re in, but they see the value in that. And so they’re trying to find that level of experience with their vendors. And so if we are building a culture of collaboration with each other as vendors, we have the people that we can recommend. We have that understanding of who’s gonna give them that experience that they’re looking for.

And I think that the couples are really savvy. Like they’re trying to find that experience and maybe they’ve seen it at their friend’s wedding or they did a corporate event and they want some people who can have that level of expertise. And so, you know, maybe their company or their job or something. I actually had a couple who hired me and she was actually planning events for her job. And she was like, no, I need a professional event planner. Like I can’t do this, you know, by myself. And I love that she recognized that.

Mike Sherman (12:34)
Oh nice.

Mm -hmm. Right.

Sholeh (12:43)
And so our industry thrives when everyone does well, right? There’s kind of this, we have to think about the future of our industry, especially those of us who’ve been doing this a little bit longer. I think we have a responsibility to mentor, to be resourced, to take five minutes out of our day, take 10 minutes out of our day, have a quick Zoom call with somebody who’s up and coming and support and help them. And it doesn’t have to be in the same field, right? Like I talked to people who aren’t just event planners. I’ve started doing retreats with other.

event planners to kind of help us level up our businesses and make sure that we’re really providing the service that we need to do. And that I think is a trend that is can only help and because our industry is so unregulated there’s no real training for most people there’s not really clear paths career paths and so anything we can do to support that I think then becomes a trend of

Mike Sherman (13:30)

Sholeh (13:41)
are couples being able to have resources available to them that maybe they wouldn’t have had in the past. So that’s something that I’m excited about.

Mike Sherman (13:47)
So that’s something that I’m really excited about. Yeah. Oh, that’s amazing. That’s such a great answer. I mean, what to you is the best way to kind of find these trusted, you know, I mean, is it like looking at reviews? Is it looking for referrals? With me, it’s always like ask your other vendors who their top vendors are, you know, like that’s a smart, smart thing in my opinion. Do you have any other kind of thoughts on that?

Sholeh (14:09)
Yeah, that would be my first recommendation too. I feel like, I mean, venues is where a lot of people start, right? And that’s why so many vendors are so interested in getting on the venue list. But I think that there’s a lot of untapped resources. For example, I, as a planner, may not have dates available for a couple, but it’s shocking to me how few people used to ask me for recommendation for another planner. And maybe they think that it’s competition or something, but I’m like, well, if I don’t have your date available, I’m going to, I’m going to, so I just actually created a template where I have, depending on kind of their

Mike Sherman (14:15)
Mm -hmm.


Sholeh (14:39)
style, where they’re located, all that, I might recommend certain planner friends of mine to say, hey, I’m not available on your date, but I hear three people that I think you might want to reach out to, to kind of, you know, because if they got to me and they like my style, they’ll probably like these other folks, right? And so I feel that that’s kind of something that’s actually something we should be doing more of is offering those alternatives so that people are at least going to our trusted network. I think…

Mike Sherman (14:40)
Mm -hmm.

Sholeh (15:08)
I think people think that maybe if they ask their photographer for a plan or recommendation, they’re like, oh, I don’t know if they’ll have somebody, but like we all work with people. We’ve all had experiences, good and bad. So I think that that’s obviously the first place. And then, you know, I have a, I have kind of an issue with reviews because I think they’re great. And I think you should definitely look for reviews. And if there aren’t any, then, you know, rethink it. But also a lot of people are really afraid to share their negative experiences. Um,

Mike Sherman (15:29)
Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Sholeh (15:36)
they’re afraid it’s going to come back on them, like as couples, especially in the wedding industry. And so I feel like sometimes there’s not as much honesty as there should be. So it’s a challenge. I would say, even if you don’t have vendors booked, you can also reach out to folks that you think might be a great resource. As a couple, you say, oh, you know what?

Mike Sherman (15:42)

Sholeh (15:55)
It looks like this photographer’s worked at a bunch of different places. I’m not actually hiring them for my wedding, but I would love, I’m gonna reach out to them and see if they have any recommendations because, you know, maybe they’re out of my price point, but they probably know some really good planners or they probably know a really good band. So that’s something where I’m like, I don’t, I think it’s okay to reach out and not everyone’s gonna be responsive. Everyone’s busy, but it’s worth a shot.

Mike Sherman (16:00)
jobs because you have any recommendations because…


Sholeh (16:17)
And I think at the end of the day, you need to have a video interview or in -person interview as a couple and say, you know, are we really clicking with this person? And if you don’t click with them, you don’t need to move forward. You just need to write back and say, thank you so much for your time. We’ve decided to go in a different direction. You know, good luck and move on to the next one. It goes both ways.

Mike Sherman (16:22)
you know, are we really clicking with this person and if we don’t click with them, you don’t need to report it, you just need to write back and say thank you so much for your time, we’ve decided to go in a different direction, you know.

Oh yeah, I love that. Yeah, I mean. Oh for sure. I mean we’ve certainly had times when we’ve, I mean very rarely, but we’ve just been, it’s just not a good fit, you know, even from our side, you know. So, and it is important, the relationship’s important. I mean, it’s certainly as far as, you know, a planner goes. I mean, it’s like you’re gonna be working very closely with this person. You wanna make sure your personalities click a little bit, no matter how good or bad anyone is. It’s so key, so that’s awesome. Great.

Well now that we’re kind of jumping into the wedding world, you know, obviously most weddings are going to go flawlessly and perfectly and everyone’s going to have a great time and leave, you know, feeling wonderful. But Any situations that have happened at weddings that like you were not expecting, you know, what like some kind of curve balls that came your way, maybe how you dealt with them, talk to me about that.

Sholeh (17:20)
Yeah, I mean, we all have those stories, right? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve sewn a bustle or sat behind a pet table and fixed a dress or, you know, what have you. I think.

One of the ones that really sticks out in my mind was I had a New Year’s Eve wedding a few years back and this bride had a gorgeous long train on her dress and they went and took photos before the ceremony and reception, which was all at one venue. And I’m at the reception venue getting set up and she comes in an hour early from her photos and she’s in tears and the bottom of her train is completely covered in Chicago snow slush, gray muck. And I just look at her and she’s like, I can’t.

Mike Sherman (17:54)
Oh yeah.

Sholeh (18:00)
I don’t have, I haven’t even had my ceremony yet. And so we, I take her into the venue bathroom and we hike her dress up into the sink and I spend 30 minutes scrubbing out the bottom of her sink with cold water, no soap, because that can leave a soap ring, and scrubbed out the dress and it was beautiful. We got hairdryers from the hotel and blow dried the bottom of her dress and.

Mike Sherman (18:10)
Right. Mm -hmm.

Sholeh (18:23)
she went into her ceremony and nobody had any idea that her dress had been covered in gray slush an hour earlier. So, you know, that’s one of those that you, you know, you’re like, oh, now I tell my couples who have these kind of winter weddings or weddings where the weather’s a little bad. I’m like, you know what, take a blanket with you, take a white sheet, take something to put onto your dress if you really want those dramatic shots.

Mike Sherman (18:27)

Oh yeah.


Sholeh (18:47)
And make sure that you are thinking through what that looks like because and talking to your photographer and talking to your wedding party and making sure that you’re, you know, set up for success. But those are all learning things, right? These are things that you only learn when you’ve been doing this for a long time. And so that’s kind of one of my fun little stories that we saved the day a little bit, but it was it was rough.

Mike Sherman (18:55)
that you’re set up for success.

Yeah. Oh my gosh, I’m sure she never will forget that for the rest of her life, too. You saved her. Oh, that’s amazing. That’s such a great story. Well, I’m glad. I’m glad you couldn’t tell. Oh my gosh. Well, so now someone’s planning their wedding, you know, just like getting started. They get engaged last week. I mean, what’s the first thing they do? You know, it’s like, what are they looking for? What should be their plan over the first couple of months?

Sholeh (19:13)
I won’t either.

That was great.

That is a great question. I think that there’s a lot, we can’t expect our couples to know what they don’t know.

And I think that a lot of us get sometimes, you know, we’ve been doing it for a while and we get a little bit like, oh, why didn’t they call me earlier? But like people get to a certain point and they’re like, oh, I should have reached out to the band six months ago. And now I’m panicking because I don’t have that figured out. Or they book a band first and then don’t realize that their venue is, it’s going to be really hard to accommodate that space. Right. And so I think that the first thing they need to do is sit down with their budget.

because that is something that a lot of people, I can’t tell you how many times they come to me and they’ve got a general number, but they’ve had, they have no idea how much things cost. And sitting down and thinking about what can we really afford? What’s really important to us at prioritizing, right? You don’t even have to have all the numbers figured out. That’s our job, right? We sit down as a planner and say, okay, this is how much this is probably gonna cost, et cetera. But if you come to event professionals with clear ideas of…

Mike Sherman (20:21)
Mm -hmm.

Sholeh (20:40)
this is what’s important, this is not, we can help mold that as professionals, right? We can say, you know, from my experience, these are the kinds of musicians you might want to have. These are the kinds of photographers. You want light and air, you want dark and moody, whatever. So I would say a lot of people think that they don’t need a planner because they can do most of the work themselves. And what they don’t realize is how much you can do with the power of a planner behind you.

you can have such a better experience just with a coordination package, right? Where you’re working with someone a year, a year and a half out, and you’re locking in your timeline and your vendors and getting recommendations for solid people and learning what are the little tips and tricks to save money on certain areas. So that’s a place where I always say, you don’t need to wait until three months before your wedding if your budget’s a little lower and you need somebody to work with you.

Mike Sherman (21:12)
just with a coordination package, right? Where you’re working with someone.


Sholeh (21:38)
There are so many planners who have the package that will help each couple with what they specifically need. And if a planner isn’t flexible and doesn’t have that service for you that you need, go find somebody else. Because I guarantee you, there’s so many of us that wanna help and we have those resources. We’ve had all that massive experience where we can say, hey, I’m gonna save you a lot of time and energy and money on this. And the money that you invest in your planner will then come back 10 -fold in your experience and in…

Mike Sherman (22:06)

Sholeh (22:07)
obviously like your budget. So that’s a place where I say that navigating the challenges of wedding planning, you don’t need to go all or nothing. There’s definitely an in -between. And I think that’s something I think more couples need to know is to use this as a resource and see us as kind of like that trained mountain guide, right? Like you’re not gonna climb a mountain not knowing the path, not having done your research. Well, hopefully you won’t. And…

Mike Sherman (22:24)
to use this as a resource. And CS is kind of like that train about move out.

Sholeh (22:35)
But if you don’t have that knowledge, you need to hire someone who does. And that’s our job.

Mike Sherman (22:37)
Yeah, I mean, I don’t think I’ve ever done a wedding where someone had, you know, a great planner who didn’t seem more relaxed and calm at the end of the day. I mean, at the beginning of the day, just, you know, able to enjoy everything a lot more. So I definitely see the benefit of it. I mean, and in this world of Pinterest and TikTok and social media, I mean, it is easy to think, well, I can just do this. But I mean, I speak from somebody has done hundreds and hundreds of weddings.

It makes a huge difference. And like you said, I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’d save money in the end, because your planner’s going to be able to point you in the right direction more so than Google’s going to be able to.

Sholeh (23:11)
Yeah, well, and there’s not a lot of realism in the TikTok and the Pinterest and the Instagram. A lot of people don’t know how much goes into that. And so, you know, that’s a lot of the time our first conversation that we have is like that vision and then bringing it to reality. What can we actually do with what you have and actually be very creative with it? You know, I might not know how to make a table number, but I can find a resource for you, if somebody who can, for your winter wonderland wedding, you know.

Mike Sherman (23:21)
Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Right. Exactly. Give you just what you want. So that’s amazing. Well, thank you so much for taking some time to chat with me today. I know we have a special offer for any of our guests that do listen to the podcast. She said she could offer $100 off any of her planning services. Just mentioned that you saw her on eventful endeavors and definitely check her. I feel like I actually forgot. We will obviously share the name of your company, but it’s Sholey Events is the name.

of her business and this is Sholeh of course herself. Anything else you think is worth people to know before we send you on your merry way?

Sholeh (24:15)
I hire you guys because that was such an awesome experience and I had such a blast at that wedding. We worked together and I wish more weddings were like that because you know you get a little jaded sometimes. You’re like, oh it’s the same old thing but I had such a good time with you guys and it was so much fun and I think more people need to have that experience at events so I hope we get to work together.

Mike Sherman (24:26)

Me too. Oh yeah, it’s always so much fun. And it’s, I mean, that’s why I love it. Cause like I said earlier about never getting sick of the different events. I never get sick of just weddings too, because every wedding is different, work with different people, different tastes in music. So I mean, yeah, it’s always just a blast and so much fun. And at the end of the day, I mean, people remember how much fun they have. That’s what I always say. So.

Sholeh (24:52)
Exactly. Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.

Mike Sherman (24:54)
Yes, thank you so much. Well, everyone, once again, this is Mike Sherman with Eventful Endeavors signing off. Have a great day and we will talk to you all soon.

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